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Why I don't do Slash Fics

November 16th, 2009, 5:15 pm

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Reply AkumaTh, November 16th, 2009, 5:18 pm

Why I don't do Slash Fics Just a random joke I wish to have seen from the show.

Also, thanks Haro for making an improved Davis sprite. The thing is it seems to conflict with MM7 style sprites. So I took the parts that were wrong with the original and used Haro's.

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Reply Shard, November 16th, 2009, 6:07 pm

Gatomon x Veemon is a nono.

Gatomon x Gaomon, though... *SHOT*

Reply godmoderncommander, November 16th, 2009, 6:27 pm

*holding shotgun*

Let's not go there, shall we? I I don't even want to think about it.

Reply Ud the Imp (Guest), November 16th, 2009, 6:34 pm

THIS is why I prefer to concentrate on the HUMAN pairings...

Reply jtubbesi, November 17th, 2009, 3:16 pm

This comic pretty much summed up Davis. I feel sorry for Veemon though. Davis would have deserved Gatomon's wrath, but Veemon should have been smart enough not to have taken any advice from Davis. However, I never did like the 2nd Gen Digi-Destined (I count Kari and T.K. as 1st Gen.)

Reply Floo Phantom, November 17th, 2009, 10:23 pm

Veemons speech bubble should say "Davish". That is how veemon says his name in the series.

Reply AkumaTh, November 18th, 2009, 9:07 am

To Floo Phantom I'm doing what most comic makers tend to do, ignoring speech dialect to make it understandable to all. (See the comic versions of Daffy and Donald).

Reply Evil Agram, November 18th, 2009, 12:16 pm

Megaman edits. Ew.

Why on earth would you EVER use Megaman 7 edits? Those haven't been in style since Bob and George started. They certainly haven't been in style since then.

What is UP with Kari's leg in that second panel? did it break at the hip?

Reply AkumaTh, November 18th, 2009, 2:09 pm

To Evil Agram This is a randomly updated comic, so I wasn't planning on using any characters here for anything else. So it was either edit MM7 sprites, or use these:

I went with the ones that fit better with the Digimon sprites.

Reply Evil Agram, November 18th, 2009, 7:35 pm

Or you could do the impossible, spend a few minutes working for once, and make your own sprites.

But I'd be insane to expect you to make anything yourself, right?

Reply AkumaTh, November 18th, 2009, 8:39 pm

You try making something you really don't want to put too much work in.

When it's something I am really into, I can make them good. Check out my Deviantart, full of scratched sprites.

Reply Evil Agram, November 18th, 2009, 9:38 pm

"You try making something you really don't want to put too much work in."

Contradiction of terms much? I put work into nearly everything I do. The exceptions I discard over time.

Sprites are a wonderful labor saving device. If you're going to be lazy enough to make a sprite comic, at least put work into the sprites used, and failing that, be a decent writer. Isn't it odd how the people who make all their own sprites tend to have better scripts than the guys using edits? You'd think the editors would have more room and energy to write better, yet that hasn't been the case since 8 bit theater.

Reply AkumaTh, November 18th, 2009, 11:43 pm

Sprites are a labor saver when they pre-exist. If they don't, how much you really need them is equivilant to how much work you put into them. Your discarded is an example of that.

"Isn't it odd how the people who make all their own sprites tend to have better scripts than the guys using edits?"
You never read "Flight or Fight" did you? Writing talent and Artistic talent are not parallel. I've heard people saying Capt. SNES has writing almost as good as Kid Radd, and he barely use edits.

Spriting is like any hobby: you don't need to be good to enjoy it, but you need to be great to make it a career. Unless you're Rob Liefeld.

Reply Evil Agram, November 19th, 2009, 11:10 am

Labor saver for work you should be doing yourself. You have no justification for using someone else's work when you're perfectly capable of making your own.

The second sentence I can't understand. Misspelling equivalent did not help.

I'm going to assume you mean that more work is put into art that is needed more, but I fail to see how this is relevant.

No, spriting and writing aren't parallel, yet here we are with a million poor edit comics and no good writing to match it. There are a few shining exceptions (read: around 3, possibly 4). These exceptions don't justify nor negate the rule.

I looked up Flight or Fight and found a poorly drawn MS paint strip with jokes that state the obvious in a blatant manner. Captain SNES is too long to read in the brief time I have to write this comment.

This notion of it just being a hobby and it not mattering if you do a shitty job as long as you're having fun is absolutely repulsive. It's ruining the hobby for the people who don't want to wade through seas of shit in order to find anything good.

Reply AkumaTh, November 19th, 2009, 12:18 pm

"It's ruining the hobby for the people who don't want to wade through seas of shit in order to find anything good. "

That's the only way something that is a shining example can be a shining example. If everything was good, then more would be overlooked. Would Kid Radd be as noticable if other comics had that similar style but with higher pixilation? Is the story for a Modest Destiny enough to keep it afloat if there were a million others in with their own spriting style?

It's like Newgrounds, you have to go through millions of terrible flashes in order to find something that truly stands out. And as their Treasure Hunt events go, depending on only the front page will make you miss a lot.

Kid Radd. A Modest Destiny. They're the things others should try to reach to is because not many can reach that point. Gold isn't valuable if anyone can get it.

Reply Evil Agram, November 19th, 2009, 12:40 pm

So in other words, you make bad comics so that the good comics look better?

Gee, what a depressing world view that people should suck in order to make the brights seem brighter purely by contrast. A good job isn't good unless a bunch of people do sucky jobs? War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength?

Hell, even if the bell curve has to exist, can't we chop off the bottom half?

A good book is still good even when all the bad ones are burned.

Reply AkumaTh, November 19th, 2009, 2:00 pm

That's how the world works. If every comic book hero was like Batman, then everything will be dull. If everyone draws like Picasso, then artistic movement would be at a standstill.

Evolution has to be done naturally. Given time and careful watch, eventually you'll grow something good. Too much nurturing and it will never grow. Too much force and it'll die out.

And nice analogy of book burning, too bad they're usually used against good books that people didn't have an open mind to accept.

Reply Evil Agram, November 19th, 2009, 2:36 pm

I'm not saying have everything be the same. I never said anything of the like. I said have everything be GOOD. Good does not mean same. There's such a wide breadth of topics out there that are still unchosen that the world could never end up filled with people of the same denomination.

Evolution doesn't work that way. Evolution functions by weeding out the least successful. I'm not cruel enough to make people quit, so I ask them to do a good job, and provide the resources to do it.

Controversial books are burned. Not good ones. You just hear a lot about the good ones getting burned. good books are more likely to be burned because they are more widely publicized.

Reply AkumaTh, November 19th, 2009, 3:01 pm

If everything is good, nothing will be great. Eventually it'll get dull and forgotten. That's why super powers are considered super. If everyone is extraordinary, no one will.

It does work if you look at it through creationism's eyes. Or if you look at it like a plant being grown.

But my point still stands by the idea of it's use because they didn't have an open mind.

Reply Evil Agram, November 19th, 2009, 3:20 pm

Creationism? Come on.

It doesn't work even through creationism's eyes. What makes things good is a certain level of effort and a will to improve. Things don't get worse because everything else improves. They just stand out less. The quality is the same, just it's no longer standing out from the crowd on quality alone, but instead on its unique attributes.

Regardless, all your argument are in favor of people doing a bad job. You have to admit that's patently ridiculous.

Your point wasn't really a point for or against anything I was saying. It was more of an unrelated statement.

Reply AkumaTh, November 19th, 2009, 8:31 pm

It's not in favor of people doing a bad job. It's the idea that it's possible to never see another bad job is possible I'm against.

For every one person you can convert, about 10 more will replace that guy. And among those 10, 8 of them would either quit or start all over.

That's why I like the idea of them coming to us. You can see their desire to improve. And when people ask me, I try to point them to places where they can get better advice.

Reply Evil Agram, November 20th, 2009, 7:58 am

Of course it's impossible to get everyone, by pure means of simple math.

You say, "us", as if you're not doing the same lazy things everyone else is, but more important is where you're pointing them. What resources are you directing them to? This is the largest list of pixel art tutorials on the web. I compiled it myself and I've revised it several times. I know it's the largest from extensive searching and pilfering links from any larger lists.

Reply AkumaTh, November 20th, 2009, 8:47 am

I have said "us" because people have asked me for advice.

As for the tutorials I point them towards:
-There is various comic tutorials ranging from basic MSPaint to Photoshop. (have to google search each time)
-Rules of Sprite Comics from Crash and Bass and from Neko's House to help them avoid cliches and bad decisions.
-There is the Resize tutorial from RyanMC to avoid people from putting badly resized MMX sprites with MM7.
-And basic sprite editing tutorials because I don't expect them to be able to scratch from the start. Most come from the MFS.

And when they ask me for advice on storylines or character creation, I try my best to give them something original and make sure they avoid making something cliche and over powered.

Reply Evil Agram, November 20th, 2009, 2:10 pm

"And basic sprite editing tutorials because I don't expect them to be able to scratch from the start. Most come from the MFS."

“I am always doing that which I cannot do, in order that I may learn how to do it” - Pablo Picasso

Reply AkumaTh, November 20th, 2009, 11:36 pm

"A teacher must never impose this student to fit his favourite pattern; a good teacher functions as a pointer, exposing his student's vulnerability (and) causing him to explore both internally and finally integrating himself with his being. Martial art should not be passed out indiscriminately." ~ Bruce Lee

Reply Evil Agram, November 21st, 2009, 11:44 am

"The duty of criticism is neither to depreciate nor dignify by partial representations, but to hold out the light of reason, whatever it may discover; and to promulgate the determinations of truth, whatever she shall dictate" - Samuel Johnson

“If you have no critics you'll likely have no success.” - Malcolm X

“He has a right to criticize, who has a heart to help.” - Abraham Lincoln

"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things." - Winston Churchill

"Just let me go, we have to be able to criticize what we love, to say what we have to say 'cause if you're not trying to make something better, then as far as I can tell, you are just in the way." - Ani Difranco

Reply Rage, November 21st, 2009, 12:58 pm

Wow, so many references.
Evilagram has an actually nice way to criticise.
The long comments will state all the flaws and the solutions.
Thank you for that list of tutorials, Evil.

And AkumaTH is a nice spriter, comicmaker...
And when he doesn't want to make a sprite, he makes it 'cause an idea suddenly popped out in his head.

Stop arguing, guise.

Reply AkumaTh, November 21st, 2009, 5:17 pm

I believe this is more of a healthy debate then an argument.

"A master can tell you what he expects of you. A teacher, though, awakens your own expectations." ~Patricia Neal

Reply Rage, November 21st, 2009, 6:58 pm

Not a...Serious argument.
Yeah, more like a healthy debate.

If I could keep my patience like you guise...

Reply Evil Agram, November 21st, 2009, 11:22 pm

This is below standard fare for me. Usually by this point the other participant is yelling that I'm a troll or flamer, or some such thing

"I do think the patriotic thing to do is to critique my country. How else do you make a country better but by pointing out its flaws?" - Bill Maher

"The object of this competition is not to be mean to the losers but to find a winner. The process makes you mean because you get frustrated. Kids turn up unrehearsed, wearing the wrong clothes, singing out of tune and you can either say, "Good job" and patronize them or tell them the truth, and sometimes the truth is perceived as mean." - Simon Cowell

"Harshness to me is giving somebody false hopes and not following through. That’s harsh. Telling some guy or some girl who’ve got zero talent that they have zero talent actually is a kindness." - Simon Cowell

"Not everybody is perfect, and I don't think we should be looking for perfect people." - Simon Cowell

"In criticism I will be bold, and as sternly, absolutely just with friend and foe. From this purpose nothing shall turn me." - Edgar Allan Poe

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

I disagree with the evaluation of Akuma being a nice spriter and comicmaker (Word for this would be cartoonist, but he's not drawing anything).

Reply AkumaTh, November 22nd, 2009, 3:36 pm

"I do not believe that sheer suffering teaches. If suffering alone taught, all the world would be wise, since everyone suffers. To suffering must be added mourning, understanding, patience, love, openness and the willingness to remain vulnerable." ~Joseph Addison

Reply Evil Agram, November 22nd, 2009, 9:53 pm

Sheer suffering can't teach unless the mind is already conditioned to learn from it. Suffering is a wonderful teacher, but few know how to learn from it.

Of course, I never bring sheer suffering. If I wanted to make people suffer then there are FAR better ways. I once compiled a short list of the ways I could mentally destroy someone, but don't.

Reply ShadowRobn, November 23rd, 2009, 2:47 pm

I just noticed how Evil keeps shoving that link onto us, its getting overused and boring, nothing special about it anymore, bring up something new.

No offense.

Reply Evil Agram, November 23rd, 2009, 7:05 pm

Like what?

I'm not seeing any pixel art from you, so why should I shove new things on top of what I've already said?

Reply Fiora Aroura, March 7th, 2010, 6:30 pm

LOL at Veemon.

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